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Are we afraid of the unknown or we are afraid of leaving the known?

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That’s a really serious question. Isn’t it? There is a common belief that the unknown is really scary. That the unknown is what we are afraid of. The question is how its possible to be afraid something if we don’t know it.. I am afraid of a poisonous snake, i am afraid of losing my friends, i am afraid to lose my property. 

But can fear touch something that is not known? It’s a fact that fear was born in the past, the past is that breeds fear. The past knowledge that a snake can kill you creates the fear of facing snakes. The past pain of an erotic partner abandoning you creates the fear being abandoned. The pleasure of being successful in your job creates the fear of failure. And so on.. so the past it the root of fear. Do we see this?

So only known things make us fear how is it possible that the unknown bring fear? In a more observative look the phrase “fear of the known” probably reveals a few more things. Probably its not the unknown that we are afraid of. Probably it is only the fear of leaving the known that scares us to death. We are afraid that once someone abandons us we will abandon a relatively safe condition, that gives some pleasure (along with some strong doses of sorrow and pain). We are afraid to die not because we don’t known what happens after, but because all the known ceases, our images, our pleasures, our hopes, our attachments, all cease. We are not afraid of trying new things we are only hesitant to abandon safe old habits.

This is a rather new inquiry for the writer and its quite possible that he misses many things, but it seems to open new space for investigation. So lets find together..

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Jorge Kapa

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    • fear and pleasure is the same thing sir? both are created by time both are time.. how can they relate with the unknown that is not of time..

      exactly like no pleasure can happen for something unknown, i think that no fear can exist for something unknown

    • exactly Eva!!! how can we fear something we don’t know? we can’t possess the unknown, so no possibility of losing something, so no fear of losing something.. there is nothing scary with the unknown, this is what i found

  1. Fear arises in letting go of comfort and security which is the known. The ending of the known is related to death and dying. We are incapable of ending anything, we live in continuity.

  2. Because we are afraid of the unknown we are clinging to the known. We are afraid be nothing, not centered. Then us as a center , is keeping desperately it’s identity always a me different from the known . As everything is changing we are always returning , even momentarily , as the director, the controller, the keeper, of the house. Me is suffering , me is pleased, me is afraid, me is thinking.

  3. The me separate from the source , assuming a form , is afraid of losing the form , to be absorbed in nothingness as the ocean of energy. The me is possible to be awaken in nothingness and the passage is frightening the me , as a jumbing to the emptynees ,rooted to something beyond any form, not clinging to something concrete. If the me is finding it’s self in nothingness there is no fear. The fear is existing be conscious in a level of emptiness and be transferred to a superior level out of great fear impossible to overcome it unless one is transferred. After the fear is dissolved there is no clinging to the known .So , we are overestimating the known and very very deeply are headen the surprises.

  4. Also one has to consider very very seriously the fear of holding ones position, space, and losing it questioning itself , observing one self from a different angle as if i am different from the observed .Stillness and not moving , questioning not the self but the movements is the protection.

  5. It seems to me that even the “unknown” is the “known”. Everything that we consider or assume about the unknown we can only make assumptions about it using our experience and the known……

  6. The brain gets tingling sensations, the forehead feels heavy when we exersice the brain in meditation. Initially silence may cause fear, the brain muscles are getting new energy. Many people become scared of getting to silence because of this change in brain physiology.
    An athlete gets cramps and feels stiffness in his body when he restarts his exersice routine after a gap of months.
    Same thing happens in the brain. Since brain is a muscle which thinks ,it can cause a bit if anxiety.
    Relax , end the silence, do some stretches. The brain is getting healthy, go slow.
    Silence is Silence, the feeling it generates is not unknown.
    As kids we were fit , we know how silence feels, meditation as adults returns us to that fitness level. We feel like kids again.

  7. Self, me, I are just words that represent the being within, thought free brain is the natural sensor and projection system, the original operating system loaded by nature when we were born. I call this baby me.
    Thoughts project conditioned reality, the brain senses from the known. This ability is a tool to be used practically, using this software all the time overheats the processor,
    Use thoughts as an app, let the brain relax when free, joy and love is our original platform. This energy is our natural intelligence. Life is fun when we operate from this platform.

  8. Jorge, at the moment I’m inclined to say all that I know is the known. If I ask whether there is anything other than this, the response has to be…..how could I ever know…..

    • “Everything that we consider or assume about the unknown we can only make assumptions about it using our experience and the known” … isn’t this statement true? isn’t it true that assumptions only can be made about the unknown? i ask whether you see the truth of this statement or there is just a verbal grasping of it

  9. We need to demistfy Silence.

    Silence is Silence. Very calm very alive, very affectionate.
    Physiologically silence realigns our thoughts. We need emotional intelligence to lead a joyous and carefree life.
    Responsibilities and relationships are fun when I have emotional sanity.
    Silence returns my OS to Natural emotional intelligent state.
    Emotional sanity is not an unknown state of being. These mystical expressions should be junked.

  10. Aha. Yes Jorge I now understand what you mean 😉 The understanding of the statement for me is only in passing. It isn’t true through and through for me.

    I do see what you mean as to something interesting happening if one were to stay with such an understanding….

  11. Yes…even with all the expert comand of the word so many have, when all is said and done almost all people i’ve come across fear the unknown and fear leaving the known.

  12. Excuse me, i haven’t read all the posts above. Yet is it possible that awareness is also of the known. It may be passive, but it remains the known. It is a learned word. An idea. I-ve discovered the truth of it, nonetheless i got it from other people. So it is conditioned. Awareness as a self-perception, it seems, which is self-knowledge is out of time in as much as it sees over or through the content to the structure of thought. So awareness seems to be the the end point or edge of the known. Yet It remains the self which talks about awareness. It has continuity as awareness without location, ever changing (which is learning). And our thoughts cannot go beyond it. Fear and awareness belong to the self, self-knowledge being the beginning of meditation.

  13. Philip, awareness as i experience it has nothing verbal.. its only a sense not poisoned by words. Probably its in the edge between the known and the unknown.. i seriously doubt it has anything to do with the self. it seems its coming from something completely different than the self.

  14. There is fear of the known meeting the unknown. As one is learning more and more about the unknown , how marvelous experience it is , one is running willingly to meet the unknown. So , one is observing , is watching closely , so there is no left space for the energy to enter , while we are awaken. If there is not intense desire for experiencing a knew state , self awareness, self observation is vanishing a weak desire to see. So , not watching closely , from moment to moment, having the sense of me is watching, one is reaching a point that all are knew , the usual sense of the me is vanishing for some time. So , inside us there is left an empty of the observer space. There might enter a grate amount of energy that as it is sensed it is creating great fear. This process is known as depersonalisation (the common sense of be a person , as we know ourselves, is lost ,feeling that all are knew and this is creating great fear.), and it is also common as a symptom, to schizophrenia . So , I am on the opinion of the strong ego , desire, of being present , having the sense I am, of me be present and not aiming for me not to exist , be abandoned , to the unknown as the best for us is the meeting of the known with the unknown without any sense of fear , existing, not trying to overcome our sense of being present.

  15. Jorge, by self i was in this instance referring to the free flowing movement of consciousness without which we would not be communicating. So, no this is not the same as consciousness contracted into an isolated mind-set. But it encompasses it. i don’t think this is merely word play; i’m enquiring into the possibility that awareness, while it is the most fluid or least dense quality of consciousness, is nonetheless an expanded movement of self-consciousness. The brain is awake to itself! Pretty revolutionary in itself, without murdering completely the beauty and ugliness of human consciousness for some state of emptiness (which looks a lot like more of the same). Perhaps this is too abstract from concrete living. But i’m aware i’m transmitting more than recieving!

  16. summarizing a few things that came after this and others discussions on the specific question..

    fear is imaginary no matter if it has to do with the leaving of the known or entering the unknown.. and fear is real and its the past, the known, that breeds fear (even if the fear has to do with the unknown)

  17. Gordon.. i think its both imaginary and real (we had spoken in the past about this issue, i’ve kept that discussion because i thought it was interesting)… its imaginary, it’s only found in our minds, but its real, its actually there.. the fear is actually there. But its not true..

  18. and recalling Michael’s words, that K pointed out that what we are afraid of is the leaving of the known, rather than entering the unknown, i think its quite right in the sense that all fears are born in the past, through time, through the known, which we are afraid to abandon.

    The root is the known that plays a major psychological role (could we also call that Ego?)

  19. The responding with an idea is the personal fact of the one who is responding. So , one who is responding with ideas , thoughts , as one is programised, living ones own fact, not wanting to go beyond automatic responses , one is already emotionally out of the responses. The seeing is penentrating the content of each thought as a programised response to present stimulus so that one is steady , not identified with the ideas , beyond the watching constant changes, be hypnotised by them. So, we are not reacting consciously to the fact of be programmed , we are not touching the program , and as the program is evolving , we are out of the program and the not distracted energy as attention, the non changing factor, is ending the program. First one is emotionally out of the responses, seeing ones own fact…..

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