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Dialogue: Is the Problem Maker separate from the Problems?

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The previous diary ended with an intellectual conclusion, that if the self doesn’t cease completely, radically, the self will be always creating problems. This intellectual conclusion was so shallow, wasn’t it. This issue was discussed later in our Facebook group and we found extraordinary things!

  • Eva: We are the problems, and the problems are those images hopes desires, that is the essence of the problem maker. We are all of that, in the absence of that can there be problems?
  • Jorge:  Even if a problem is solved, or erased, the problem maker is still active and he will create a new one.This is a fact, no?
  • Gordon: The problem maker and the problem are not separate are they?
  • Eva: Nope they are one
  • Jorge: Still once a problem is solved a new is born, no?
  • Eva: We only separate them when we want to act on the problem. If when there is awareness or one is aware that me and the problem are one, what is intelligent action?
  • Gordon: Seeing the fact that there is no separation.
  • Eva: Then what is intelligent action? Seeing the fact of it?
  • Gordon: Jorge Kapa as you say, the problem maker is still acting.
  • Gordon: Yes, without compromise, with full attention.
  • Eva: Gordon me and the problem are one. Any movement away from this fact only perpetuates problems right?
  • Gordon: Right, because it is the problem maker who moves away. Right?
  • Eva: Searching for answers solutions, are all movements away from self, the problem maker, right?
  • Eva: Seeing that, what is right action?
  • Jorge: Οh, now i get it.. once you see there is no separation between the problem and the problem maker, Intelligent action is to cease acting on the problem.
  • Eva: Bingo
  • Eva: None action!!!
  • Jorge: Hehe its crazy
  • Eva: The observer is the observed! Once one understands this fact one is free
  • Eva: Careful not make it into an idea then act on it
  • Eva: Not an intellectual understanding is actual
  • Gordon: Yes. In the seeing of this, then one ceases to act on the problem because to act on the problem is the action of the problem maker.
  • Jorge: i was focusing on the fragment (problem), before! ! ! I wasn’t loooking at the whole (problem maker/ problem)

So let’s say a new -psychological- problem (created necessarily by me, the Ego, the “I”) emerges. Once i actually see that “I” create my problems, I am the problem maker, my potential is just to create problems, this direct seeing will make me say “No thanks, I am not interested in solving this problem, i know just how to create problems, i also just created this problem a few minutes ago, i am completely incapable of solving it”. And there is stillness, there is non action which is holistic action, there is peace and beauty and freedom from the problem which is freedom from the problem maker, actually is absolute freedom.

A few other sayings that convey something similar:

The significant problems we face can not be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them.
You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem

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Jorge Kapa

The speaker is never important but you may examine the message, if you wish

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  1. to go in a dialog to find out! is to stay objective and being honest to one self adherwise you will play trick to the self and then you are not serious!even that which you discovered afterwards have clarity as a conclusion it stll the problem maker ho things ho has discovert a solution,everything after the conclusion is prosecution of the problem itself!prolonging the problem: it is a response to the problem cause and efect!I thought it was an interesting dialogue!not in the sense of finding it pleasurable but the free course of the conversation!

    • Yes, my reaction to a situation is the problem, the situation itself is not a problem.
      The rent is due, i am broke, I am stressed?
      How do i resolve this? either i escape, lie hide from the landlord Or,
      I go up to him, share my problem, tell him the truth.
      If I will have the money in the future to pay, I stay or i move to the street. Do i have the guts?
      Can i be relaxed and face the reality?
      Work and find a solution.
      Stress is a double edged sword, it motivates me to survive but once i am fine, the habit to be stressed remains…

  2. To create and solve problems, again and again …is of some strange kind of attitude.
    Some people are all the time in kind of problems….and get also all the time solutions. Some people have just a peaceful life, trust in such peace …and create a world in which there aren t constantly problems to solve.

  3. The most intelligent person create a most complicated world. It need most complicated solutions and understandings.
    The most peaceful one create just a peaceful environment and world. All the circumstances are created, just to remain in such peaceful and natural state.
    This is the whole secret of lifedream….and the control of it.

  4. The rent is due, i am broke, I am stressed?
    How do i resolve this? either i escape, lie hide from the landlord Or,
    I go up to him, share my problem, tell him the truth.
    If I will have the money in the future to pay, I stay or i move to the street. Do i have the guts?
    Can i be relaxed and face the reality?
    Work and find a solution.
    Stress is a double edged sword, it motivates me to survive but once i am fine, the habit to be stressed remains…

  5. Me is part of any problem when I am psychologically involved in it. Thought that it is happening be completely out of it doesn’t touch heart , thought is not psychological. What one is searching is be completely out of thinking , not maintaining thinking , not support thinking in any way. Then the thinker is thought , there is not distance inside me as the me and the thoughts , thought is not rooted on time . When there is not time there is attention. The me is the whole mind as awareness , without being at all focused on knowing. Then the me is not the problem maker as there are no problems .The focusing is the problem . The focusing must be converted to knowing , knowing in complete relaxation , not having an object of thinking , of observation , generally having no sense that I am doing or not doing something. This can happen only if one is going deeply , knowing that thought is a problem but only if I am influenced by it. Not be influenced another agent is coming and it is entering in the mind as past experience. Expressing the will not make any effort to any direction the lower is no more pushing out the higher as it is the pushing that it is the problem. Not pushing the energy of attention is not consumed by any distraction. Not pushing , not doing anything , the field of awareness is unified , only then there is complete attention. So , all the energy must come upon me , not the me somewhere outside. Considering me as the problem maker there is created a desire of the me to be abandoned , not knowing what I am doing. The me is the core of the being and it is also the knowing. So , not losing my presence be absorbed to anything there has to be a deep interest on knowing independently on what it is happening. Not lose my presence as the witnessing considering the witnessing as the problem maker.

  6. The totality of the self be in the knowing means there is not division. Any interest on the part is abandoned , I am not abandoning the me , instant knowing , as the director , negatively thinking ,if it is necessary , and instantly knowing.

  7. Me is the trouble maker , the problem maker , and then turn the other side and sleep , or give the whole of my existence on knowing not be afraid be completely out of thinking as an observer that he is only interest on observing and not changing anything.

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