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30 years after a good man died – Jiddu Krishnamurti

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Some of you have heard of Jiddu Krishnamurti and he’s also mentioned here a couple of times. K was an Indian that lived from 1895 to 1986, but i think i can’t say many words about him.. he wasn’t a guru, he wasn’t a zen master, a teacher (implying the rest of us are students) or anything like that. He was actually nothing. His words affected me deeply.. the inquiry of his message gave me the opportunity to investigate my whole life, all the values, ideals, stereotypes, ethics that were ruling it and see what makes sense. There was a period when, not being observative at all, i was attached to him, i was feeling that its necessary to read his books or watch his videos in a  daily basis in order to feel fine or to evolve, but this is not his mistake.. he spent his whole life showing humanity how destructive it is to attach to anybody (including him), to follow anybody, any dogma, method, ideology, religion, anything of the mind. A simple phrase he used is a very dense summary of all the message he communicated: “Truth is a pathless land“. At the same moment he was always repeating that “the speaker is not important, but what is said has an immense significance”

The Teaching of Krishnamurti

This man spoke for almost 60 years in front of vast audiences, with no hope, no fear, just showing people what it is to live, what it is to love, revealing the neurotic approach humanity has to life, investigating the nature of fear, violence, conflict, attachment and sorrow. K abolished the fear of death by pointing: “to live is to die every moment to the past”, questioned the value of outer revolution, showing that only an inner revolution, a revolution of consiousness can bring a radical change. He spoke about relationship, he showed relationship as we perceive it is not a relationship at all. He inquired in the issue of the right action, he passionately spoke about the urgency to set us free from the known. He revealed a completely different dimension of education and learning. Along with great friends (like professor David Bohm) he shed light to the matters of Reality and Truth, the matter of Time (Ending of Time). The absence of scientific knowledge was not an obstacle to penetrate very deep in the human psyche. He showed Time is Division, Fear, Conflict, Disorder and when all these cease there is inevitably Love, Compassion, Freedom, Affection, Beauty, Joy, Order.

Marvellous are all these are, aren’t they? But if one is not really serious, passionate to inquire deeply, to see the truth of them, to investigate without hope and fear, all these can’t help, actually its possibe to bring about more confusion or sorrow. Again, this is not his mistake. K’s words are only a mirror where one, if at all serious, is able to reflect himself and learn.

Krishnamurti Death

Krishnamurti died on Februay 17 1986, exactly 30 years from today and for some reason, while i’ve almost never speak about him at Meditativediaries.com i would like to put here a few things i found about his death:

  • The statement appeared in a special issue of the KFT (Krishnamurti Foundation Trust) Bulletin following Krishnamurti’s death:

Krishnamurti died at Ojai, California, on February 17th at ten minutes past midnight California time, aged nearly ninety-one.

Nine months ago, though he sometimes felt very tired as was natural at his age, his health was causing no anxiety. At Saanen last summer he announced that the current talks would be the last to take place there after twenty-five years. He felt that he must cut down his travelling in 1986.

At the end of August he gave talks as usual at the annual gathering at Brockwood Park and in October he went to India with a full programme ahead of him. From the moment of his arrival he began to feel exhausted, to lose weight and to have fever. In consequence he cancelled half his talks in Madras and all his talks in Bombay.

On January l0th, although very weak, he insisted on returning to Ojai which involved a twenty hour flight to Los Angeles, via Singapore and Tokyo. Immediately after his arrival medical examinations were begun, but very shortly an acute abdominal attack required his going into hospital. It was then discovered he was suffering from cancer of the pancreas with involvement in the liver.

As there was no cure, surgical or otherwise, for his condition, Krishnamurti returned to his Ojai home at his own urgent wish. He was nursed by friends and round-the-clock professionals. During this time his brain was very clear, though he was growing daily weaker. Unable to take any food by mouth, he was fed intravenously. He faced death with equanimity. His chief concern was that his Foundations should carry on all aspects of his work in harmony and without authority.

On the day of his death his body was cremated without ceremony as he had wished.

  • Extract from Krishnamurti’s last discussion with students and staff at Brockwood Park on 29th September 1985:

There is another way to inquire, to probe, to find out, to explore. Not explore into the atom, into chemistry, but inquire much more deeply. Which means that you doubt what you feel, you question what you think, why you think, why you react. Can you inquire, question, doubt? So there are several means of making the brain extraordinarily active, not merely chattering, learning, going from one thing to another. But when you study, study, when you observe, observe with all your heart and brain, everything around you. Observe what you feel, whether you love somebody, or if it is just sensation you want: ‘I like to be with you because you give me pleasure, sexually, in different ways, therefore you are my friend’. So, observing requires a great deal of attention, not just saying, ‘Yes, that is a tree, the leaves are turning, how beautiful’, and then doing something else. When you observe, you observe, look into everything, observe your own way of life, whether you are just following some pattern, some mould you have set for yourself, which is very narrow.

To listen to the whole discussion click here

PS 1: Krishnamurti gave his last talks in Mandras India on December 28 1985 (almost 50 days before he died) and you can watch them right here.

PS 2: Here you can find the New York Times announcement on Krishnamurti’s Death on February 18 1986

PS 3: An interview with Nikos Pilavios, the only living Greek that met Krishnamurti in person.

PS 4: The most up-to-date, complete source of K’s work can be found here

PS 4: Much information for this diary was taken from this link

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Jorge Kapa

The speaker is never important but you may examine the message, if you wish

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  1. I grew up with K, for me he is family not a guru but more like a mentor or a friend. I have always loved him as a child, an adolescent and as an adult. He was always my friend. The only message he pointed to was ‘know thy self’ the same message the ancient Greek oracles have communicated. I don’t know about understanding K, my job is to understand myself. Nothing more.

    • Eva, I love these words ‘I do not know about undersyanding K, my job is to understand myself.Nothing more.’ Yes! Amd there IS nothing else or other than that to understand…no ‘K’ as separate…thank you! And this was what K pointed out, and this is what has been his immeasurable significance in ‘my’ life also..the mirror of him was dropped, in understanding, the dropping is really about the ending of reflection and seeing ‘what is’ directly…

    • Iwill imitate Michael here and tell how many years it has been..:-) the revolution took place for the first time 36 years ago…Mike, I seem to be ahead of you!! :-) :-) laughing…now big thick snowflakes started falling here in Finland…:-)

    • Eva, back to what I just said to you…want to add that for as long as ‘we discuss K’s teaching’ instead of living ‘them’ in oneself, we are moving at the intellectual level, keeping a distance..(which is of course between observer and observed)

    • don’t need to add anything.. its strange because since yesterday i’ve seen many manifestations of admire on K’s person.. like he is a messiah.. which obviously creates a Krishnamurtism, .. yes, right eva, its urgent to understand myself

    • yes..K is not important…and the message lives it own life in us, beyond words…have personally been critisied on some k-forums of ‘not having read enough K’, ‘not knowing anything of the teaching’…:-), and when confronted with such statements i have always felt that yes, I am not even conscious of ‘discussing K’s teaching’, but that there have only been ‘things unfolding’ and words being uttered as part of it…yes, the movement of intelligence is that and it knows not of division of any kind

    • Mina Martini i think any reading of anyone’s teachings in order to find the truth is such a shallow movement? its again the means that are separate from the end. Its one thing to read a book for the pleasure of reading a book and another thing to read a book in order to achieve something

  2. ah 30 years it’s been – yes. For this writer, K was happened upon when channeling a television and landing on a pbs station that was televising an outdoor talk – wonderful, after 3 years of wandering about in the world after the neurotic shellacking of layers of thought was blasted out of existence, here was another human being that was giving voice to an understanding that I had been unable to convey to my friends other than to describe a revolutionary way of living when the mind is totally freed of anchorage – a boundless energy and freedom that never lessened, which only seemed to deepen as time by the clock passed, pages ripped off the calendar :) like in some old movie
    The thing I found with K’s teachings is his felicity in translating his understanding of conditioning into language that is simple, clear, and factual, no propaganda, no hysterical fervor, just simply and clearly pointing out the factors of conditioning

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