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Does Massive Revolution/Protest make sense at all?

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Here in Greece we are facing some serious issues.. unemployment, debts, danger of economical embargo, terrorizing daily news etc. Fear, despair and anger is everywhere in the air. And protesting appears as a duty and an effective means of doing something. Since.. ever I couldn’t understand why people protest, sometimes violently, others not.. During the last years I was also questioning the meaning, the importance of revolutions, these violent movements that focus on changing the outer environment and whether they do radically change the Man during the centuries.

The night before I watched the 11th of the 12 parts of the conversation of Jiddu Krishnamurti with Dr. David Bohm that took place in 1975 at Brockwood Park (to watch it click here – it’s a 100′ video, i am not sure you are willing to watch it). And there was a phrase that made something click inside me and make it quite clear that trying to change the outer environment has no point at all if not changing the inner.. we are in chaos inside, we are confused, we are afraid, we are manipulated by ideologies, religions, nationalism, stereotypes and we feel that this inner chaos can bring order, can drastically change the outside environment to make us happy. Such a contradiction!

Which doesn’t mean that if my boss pays me 10 euros to work 12 hours per day I won’t say him/her this doesn’t make sense. But there is no reason to expect anything.. Obviously my boss will have his own explanations/justifications regarding his payment policy (please have a look here for my insight on the non-existance of psychological right/wrong). If the next step is conflict I will probably force him pay me more, or maybe I will be fired.. but the best case scenario for me (to increase my salary) will inevitably bring further chaos.. for example my boss will be much more demanding, or probably he will treat me bad, causing further irritation, anger, sorrow etc. Generally speaking examples is not a good idea but sometimes they do help!


Isn’t it quite clear that trying to change the outer environment by means of some kind of violence (psychological or physical) won’t transform my psychological being at all? That revolution as we know it is a partial reaction of the Ego that can’t bring holistic, holly results? On the contrary it will inevitably breed chaos, confusion, pain and sorrow which are necessarily the consequences of a partial reaction.

This is not a proof of the non-sensical roots of outer revolution. I am not sure that words can provide a solid proof. But if we are a bit honest, sincere. we should ask ourselves “Is massive revolution/protesting a true, radical revolution? Is it something that does make sense?” Or it’s is just another form of seeking pleasure (to feel that i’ve done the right thing, to fullfill my duty), avoiding pain (the pain of feeling unsafe), another movement of the Ego which reproduces our general concept for life (seek pleasure, avoid pain) and perpetuates sorrow and death? We need to find the answer on our own if we are at all serious with our life!

..and a small part from Krishnamurti’s insight on the real revolution – don’t bother with the emotional music cover of the video – this is a part of the documentaries Zeitgeist Addendum which uses Krishnamurti words to propagandize, but his words have nothing to do with propaganda.. so let’s investigate behind the words, behind the music, let’s investigate this message, don’t bother with the speaker.. does the message make sense or it’s another silly idealization?



Jorge Kapa

The speaker is never important but you may examine the message, if you wish


  1. Why is the social/political dimension of being usually advertised as something to be avoided by “spiritual people”?
    Why is passiveness usually expected from the victims but not from the authors by “spiritual people”?
    Why is the influence of material things on the human psyche usually denied as a fact by “spiritual people”?

    I find all three incomprehensible, but I have a possible explanation.

    Anyone who dwells in his/her resort of “spirituality” usually likes to believe that he can influence the world even when he doesn’t move out of himself. As a result, he blames the victims for the actions they suffer, believing conveniently that they themselves are somehow responsible for it.

    • Hello Helen and thank you for your message

      I will try to answer your questions starting by the point i am now: i don’t know.. but i will try to find out

      So is it implied that spiritual people should avoid a social dimension? I would say that once this inner revolution takes place, once you put order “in your house” social action is inevitable. I think that inaction sometimes is the most intelligent action which can’t be wrong. To save energy from protesting, fighting, revolting (which are movements of the I) will give me the energy to see what is, which is instant whole/holly action. Which inevitably affects society.. so a human in inner order won’t plan to save the world, but will inevitably help people who need his/her help if he can, with not a slightest sign of ambition, hope, expectation, which is obviously a social dimension of the human being. Don’t take inner revolution as “indifference”, inner revolution is action with obvious social dimension.

      I am not sure i understood the second question, please explain further.

      As for the influence of material things on psyche I wouldn’t deny it. This is “what is” – material things influence human psyche. It’s another thing to not be able to see what is and another thing to accept it psychologically as something that can’t change. Obviously to eat or sleep or have a place to live is quite necessary but i would argue whether it’s quite necessary for someone to posses all the latest gadgets, or cars etc. And this doesn’t imply criticism.. it’s just further investigation in the question “can i be free psychologically from material things”?

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